Because
more and more girls are appearing with info on how the scam works, I
thought I would place it on a special page...
REPORTS...
Hi Jim,
How useful this will be to you i am not sure as i really dont want to
damage someone.
I was using the DM website last year and actually flew over
to ***(small, Russian city) to meet with a lady, her name ****. SHe
seemed genuine enough and turns out she was as we got engaged and then
arranged Visa's to come to the UK. In a nut shell it was my decision
that it would not work and she has gone back. Getting to the point she
has now been approached by another agent of DM based in
****(small, Russian city) and offered 60% of all she generates. To give
you an idea of figures, as in the original agency she was also their
translator, she was generating around $3000 US a month. She needs work
so has taken that opportunity and now sits there 6 days a week, 8 hours
a day. She tells me that the agancy she works for now only have 2 girls
working in this way, the rest are on 20% and are supposidly looking for
love.
****'s reasoning for it sitting morally comfortabley is that the men on
the site are all the same ones who were there a year ago, and send the
same mails to many girls, most she says are just there to play and have
fun, so she figures that if they want to pay for that then she is happy
to take the money.
Hope this is an insight for you
****
Here is a little more...
hi Jim
i am in Russia and Ukraine all the time .i own a business here,have
been married once before to a Russian and speak Russian well . i can
say with all honesty that DMs is totally geared to milk any
man dry ,there credits system is flawed and charges at a rate they
don't advertise ,credits go missing etc . i have two friends that are
currently working as translators for this site and they are making
heaps of money ......i don't agree with the way they are doing this
......but i will tell you how they operate . the girls are encouraged
aggressively to chat ,not letters just chat and it is here
that
the translator makes maximum dollars the pressure that the translator
and the sites local agency affiliate put on the girl is criminal
.......endless emails and sms and calls are made to ensure she chats as
often as possible . if by chance a guy comes to visit ,they say you
must use all there services .eg transfers ,translation ,visa support
,background check and a fictitious document they call a
travel
application ......total BS .
if the couple are clever they try to split from the site ASAP and are
met with threats ,mainly to the girl . she will be told that the man is
a people trafficker and criminal . all because they don't want to use
the sites over priced services . i know of a girl who was told her man
was online talking to other girls and was a known people trafficker and
international criminal ,because he refused to have a picture
taken with his lady on arrival . when she asked to have her profile
removed they said "when you give us your picture of the two of
you".......extortion and the unlawful use of a persons identity -
international law forbids .
the lengths this site and its affiliate regional agencies will go to
knows little boundaries when it concerns getting money from a man
my background is in the security industry .some of the operators of
"some agencies " are from very black backgrounds . there is serious
money being made here in Ukraine from this industry and it has a high
profile in the darker side of business here . Odessa has become a kind
of hub for many agencies there is a company that specialises in
providing servers just for the agencies ........the renting of
apartments to American men has become a huge money maker and has
attracted some serious players because of the larger money from renting
versus site fees . these players have in turn become "backers" for the
agencies and now call the shots . in some respects its almost
prostitution ,and i know of many working girls who already are made to
have a profile .if they are paid at all it is very little .
a good trick for DMs is accept chat then without saying
anything turn on video ....you will catch the girl half asleep ,smoking
or reading .......just waiting for chat in her cubicle ,if you chat
about email,the sites charges or any complaint you will sometimes see
the shadow of a supervisor hovering near by ... smile its very
transparent . again these girls get little ,always young and
usually on there way home from a nightclub -time difference -that's why
they are awake and often look a little tired .its a way for them to
earn a little money ,if they know English well enough to keep a chat
going . if there is a translator "girl usually goes to her house "
-more likely to be a girl who is genuinely interested if she uses
translator -then the translator gets the money .smile .
the fact that people need to survive here does not escape me .....BUT
the exploitation of someones feelings is low on my order of behaviour
.these sites and agencies need to be shut down or at the very least men
and girls in Ukraine Russia need to be aware of how they are being
exploited and by whom and who gets what share of the money that the man
inevitably pays when he joins a site like "DMs"
i do know for a fact that DMs is desperate for testimonials
and pictures there ratings are dropping i have been told by one of
there translators . even there own freelance translators/English
teachers ,have issues with the way they do business ,but as long as the
money is there they will take it .
feel free to cut and paste from this letter anything you wish to use on
your site .
keep up the good work Jim .
regards
****
not inside
information, but more proof...
Jim
TGTBT!
You know my Father’s best saying was “if it’s too good to be true; it
usually is” and you know, he was definitely right! My friend and I have
been members of dream-marriage.com for about two months now and just
like all the other reports listed on your web site, it seems that all
the women want to do is chat.
We did so in the beginning and
even did a couple of video chats. These costs started to really add up.
After spending $500, between membership costs and buying additional
credits, my friend and I tested this service.
We’re both well
to do business men, I’m a financial analyst and he is a Lawer and it
seems that each time we mentioned that we want to come out and meet
with them in the Ukraine; these women ceases to e-mail and never to
hear from her again. We tested on ten different women with the same
results. It appears that these women make money on the chat sessions
and boy, they can go on forever, especially that they seem to be
chatting with many men at the same time.
My friend and I using
laptop computers side to side had to always ask “Are you still there”,
then after a couple of minutes they would respond with “I was cooking
something, My computer Froze, etc.”
According to some of the
other complaints listed; it seems that the agency and the girls have a
partnership and share in the credits. The agency also wants between
$400-$700 just to get their contact information.
Well my friend
decided to take a chance and call one of the girls who listed that she
can speak fluent English, but when he made the phone call, he could
hardly understand her. Finally, she had an interpreter, which she
stated was her friend, probably someone at the agency, and it was a
complete waste of time and money. The conversation went nowhere and
when he stated that he really found her interesting and would like to
come out to the Ukraine to meet with her parents to discuss coming to
America; well everything changed and she basically said that she’s not
ready to make that move; and that was after countless e-mails from her
that stated she wanted im to be her man.
Many of these girls
are also listed on Anatasia and Hostrussian Brides. So guys, be ware of
this site. Actually I have a Russian friend who says if you want to
meet a Russian or Ukrainain women; just visit the country, go to a hot
club and he said there are so many women dying to get out of their
country that you would have no problem finding a beautiful lady.
Pass it on!
Again,
not inside proof, but mroe and MORE proof!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oct '09)
Jim
The
above is a link thru dream mariage to my now fiance as of August when
we were in France. I emailed them and they refused
to take down her
listing.. She knows nothing of it.
****
more...(Oct
'09)
hi Jim
I
actually learned of this agency while in Nikolaev- I was writing a lady
through anatasiaweb.com and stumbled across their office. I joined.
They had a lot of ladies there which were on the Anastasia website
which I had written, but most of them disappeared when I came to town.
Well
here is the big scam I saw. One day I was online, and i got a chat
invitation from one of their ladies who was from Lugansk. I was
surprised since it was then about 4 am Ukraine time. Even more
surprised since this girl used to be my girlfriend. So I accepted the
chat and started talking about our relationship--she was dodging
questions. When I asked her if it was really her, she pretended to be
very offended.
As it happened, one week later I was in Lugansk and
ran into her in the internet cafe, with a guy who had come to
visit
her. I mentioned the chat and she had no idea what I was
talking
about. I wrote DM and told them that they were
scamming,
and they said that they confirmed with the lady that she had
actually
chatted with me. This of course is total nonsense. The lady in question
and I had a multi-year relationship. We still talk. There is
no way
she would have not known it was me.
When I was in Lugansk that
time, I started to chat with every lady who was online from
Lugansk. I
opened the chat saying I was in Lugansk - - all the
ladies said "oh I
am out of town on vacation." In my opinion- a complete scam.
more...
Hi Jim!
I read some
of the letters you have about DM site scams.... Sorry but
its all true what they are saying... But its even worse then they
know... I have been on that site off and on since 2007... I took it all
with a grain of salt thou.... But I thought someone had to be real and
genuine there... But really, I don't think there is... This site needs
to be shut down... When I first started at this site.. I wrote to just
one lady for months.. I noticed her spelling changing and her language
changing a lot.. Then I sent her a picture of myself with a
motorcycle... Later I would ask her what color it was........ She could
never answer me right......... She said every color but what the color
really was.... I know it wasn't the same person writing me
all
the time... Besides the fact that; none of these girls pictures are
real.. They are all photo enhanced... They change every aspect of there
photos and I can prove it.... But just try deleting all of a girls
letters and pictures, that you have been writing to for a longtime and
see what happens... Even if you haven't talked or wrote her in a
week... A letter from her will instantly appear in your mail box after
you delete everything you have saved from her letters over the
months... I am quite sure now; you are being tracked on their site a
DM.... I know also; that they are using other peoples
pictures and info. also... Just try and get something personal from
some lady there... You'll never get it........ It's all fake there....
I have seen some of the girls online with a web cam.. Most look nothing
like there photos.... I am also sure they are being paid to work
there.... Why else would any lady do such bad things to men and play
them, if you weren't being paid to do so.... Plus this blows out of the
water; that Russian women are any different then American women....
Money seems to over rule morals or values in a lot of people these
days....... I hope men catch on fast, that DM is a
total scam... I am sure they have made bundles of money off of many
decent men with good intentions.. Wow, how sad to play anybody like
this company has... I did the phone call and address thing.. I even
looked for a business license in Cal. or Nev. but I couldn't find
one.... Remember the old saying to all you guys out there; If it seems
to good to be true,,,,,, it probably is... Thanks for posting all those
letters about DM Jim... I am sure you'll saved a lot of men
a lot of money, time, and heart ache...
****
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