Why
is "Origin Club" (originclub.com & originclub.ru) &
"Online Brides" (online-brides.com)
"Russian Girls For Japanese Men Online Brides"
(russian_girls_for_japanese_men.online-brides.com)
"My Charming Love" (my-charming-love.com)
"Romance Dating Online" (romance.romanticdatingonline.com)
on the Black List?
ORIGIN LLC –
Owner
- Andrey Povolotskiy
10A, r. 305, Okeanskiy prospect, 690091, Vladivostok, Russia
3 Litejny, 191028, St. Petersburg, Russia
4232432514 or 4232302954
Origin International
Dating
Club
Origin Club (originclub.com)
Origin Club (originclub.ru)
Online Brides (online-brides.com)
Russian Girls For Japanese Men Online Brides
(russian_girls_for_japanese_men.online-brides.com)
My Charming Love (my-charming-love.com)
Romance Dating Online (romance.romanticdatingonline.com)
Important
info - the owner of Origin Club says that I am a liar and all the info
on this page is false. He also says that he does not have anything
printed about me on his site. I guess I was hallucinationg when I saw
it,
copied it and pasted lower on this page. The owner also wants me to
know that you are not stupid, and when you read all the things on this
page, you will see the truth. So, read and decide. I just report what I
find and what I receive from guys.
This agency was on my
Grey
List for many years because of minor complaints and poor or bad
business practices, then I moved them to the Black List since they have
not improved their agency, and seem to have done many things for the
worse.
They contacted me and
whined
and I had agreed to remove them from the Black List, but after seeing
their banners for anastasiaweb and many links for nude and escort
Russian women, I will have to keep them here until those links are
removed.
They appear to have a
partnership with Army-of-Brides.
This is reason enough to not trust this agency.
They appear to have a
partnership with anastasiaweb.com.
This is a HUGE reason not to trust this agency.
They have ads for
pornographic scam sites on their site. (Birds of a feather flock
together.)
UPDATE
- SEPT, 07 - This agency has been completely off my site for a long
time. I am suddenly getting more questions about this agency. And guess
what, anotehr report of something fishy.
So,
here is
the deal. I have no reports of direct scamming at Origin. I have
several reports of strange happenings at this agency. And because I
need to have this agency on one of my lists, I chose Grey, but the more
I dig, the Blacker it gets. I cannot continue to move this agency from
list to
list. And when an agency moves from list to list, something is wrong.
UPDATE -
JAN, '08
- I was looking into a site, that took me to originclub.com. I noticed
they have something printed about me. Here is what originclub.com says
about me...
"Another site -
jimslists.com -
regularly publish the names of the sites and ladies disliked by the
site owner. He acts anonymously, never tells his name and writes in
English with gross errors. People in forums often complain of his
actions. Such a site is not trustworthy at all, especially if we deal
with human lives, which he breaks without any thinking."
So,
let's see. My site is trustworthy because I work alone. I call them
like I see them. I think, ponder, mull and make my decisions very
carefully. I realize that I affect human lives and thereofre, care a
great deal about what I am doing. BUT, I have no problem with
'breaking' the lives of scammers. My name is Jim. Hey, I DO say my
name. My site does not have gross English errors. There are typos
because I usually type very fast. (I don't like wating my time on
losers like this.) Also, he states on his site that I married a
Ukrainian girl. Well, I have never been to Urkaine and I have never
been married.
Why does Andrey make
up these lies?
Because he is Russian, so he is a pathelogical liar. He is trying to
discredit me instead of making his agency good. This is pretty much the
bottom line. This site is run by a liar. You cannot trust him or his
site.
Here are the
complaints...
A guy filled out their
application form, but
only enough to get registered. The ONLY information on his profile is
his name and country. No, photo, age or anything else.
HE GETS 5 LETTERS
EVERY
DAY!!!!!!!
more...
A guy received an
introductory letter from a girl that he had already been corresponding
with.
more...
One
guy feels that the video chat is being used to make money by girls that
sit in the office and get paid to chat on your money. (Only this one
guy's opinion.)
more...
One guy cannot remove
his name from the mailing list or delete his profile.
This
is all hearsay, of course, So, simply use your own judgement.
UPDATE - JAN 10
Jim,
After
reading your website, I feel I should expand your knowledge about
Origin.com. You are COMPLETELY correct about your
posting.
I met a girl that worked at this agency. Any and all girls
that
are under 25 are being paid what they call a "bonus" for using the
video chat. I personally know that several use this money as
their sole source of income. I saw one married girl perform
oral
sex on her husband because one of the men said he would pay for
it. When they recieve "gifts" from the men, such as stuffed
toys,
they take pictures with the animals and then give back the
gift.
I could go on and on about this site. My information is
directly
from one of the girls working at that agency. I have visited
Ukraine, but was not allowed to go into the agency. If you
have
any questions at all about this site, please let me know. I
know
so much more, but it would be too much to type.
Sincerely,
****
PS thanks for your site. I just started using it and love it.
UPDATE - MARCH, 2010
There
is no way to contact the agency unless you pay money, I put a claimer
in my add to have the person who responds to start off with a certain
name, and have read before sending letter, and yet every time
i add or
change the profile, i get hundreds of letters, but none with
the
disclaimer, so obviously the people are not even reading the
adds, to
they want you to watch their video and comment, but that costs money as
well
more - July, 2010
Hi,
I am a
victim of this club and should have listened to you 2 years ago.
If I had I would be a lot richer today and less troubled about my own
stupidity and vulnerability. I have been victimized twice by the
women on this site. Here are things you should list on your site
for all sites advertising connections with prospective brides in Russia
and the Ukraine. They do not prove scamming, at least not in the
normal way, but the consistency of the modus operandi indicates a new
and very subtle scam, which they can later easily deny. Meanwhile
you have lost your money and your pride. I have learned all of
these things the hard way and hope that my advice can save other
unsuspecting males huge losses and broken hearts.
1. The agency
moves from city to city, places ads in the paper and hires girls to
appear on their site. I believe the recycling of gifts for
photographic purposes is true, here is why. I would send the
girls gifts through another agency and they would always request that I
use the Origin Club for gifts. Why would they care?
2.
Over the years I have noticed that I will begin getting requests to
correspond from many 20 year old women. I am 70 : ) They are all
sexy and posed provocatively. I must ask myself, why would 100 20
year old women in Zaporizhye find a 70 year old someone they wanted to
write to? Can?t think of any? Neither can I. The next
month I would get a similar number of letters from 20 year olds in
Odessa, Nikolaev, right now it is Kharkov.....: ) Wow, a lot of
desperate 20 year olds in the Ukraine, I?d say.
3. All of
these girls supposedly have college degrees, in engineering, business,
etc. Yet none of them speak English. They list their
English ability as 2 on a scale of 1 to 5, where 5 is excellent.
The ones I met could barely understand ?hello?....They are not college
graduates, because anyone graduating from a decent university in Russia
of the Ukraine will have a fairly good knowledge of English.
Even if they know English they will deny it so that the company
translator will have to be used when you visit and write them. I
finally convinced one girl to write to me in Russian and they still
charged me $4 per letter for translation : ) Go figure.
When I visited and tried to communicate with they claimed my Russian was awful and
they could not understand it. Strange, since cab drivers, merchants and businessmen all
understood me fine : ) To me I needed no other proof that they were scamming me.
While no-one ever asked outright for money, they used the following guises to get my cash.
?Have you bought anything for your daughter from the Ukraine?? When they got
a no answer they suggest that we go shopping for her. She will help you pick out what is
right for her. After you buy it, she takes the bag and says, ?Thank you for this gift,? in
the store where she knows you will not put up a fight in public. Nice scam.
Once you are in country, they want to take you on a walk, you end up going shopping and
they use their feminine wiles to get you to buy things they could never afford at home.
Of course, you realize later that you have been used, but at the time you are only doing
what comes natural to men, please the woman. Right?
4.
None of them have passports or email. This when compounded with
the lack of English skills and an outright refusal to get internet
services or try to learn English, even though you offer to pay for it
all, is highly suspect. To me it says that they are bound by
contract to the agency to keep you writing and forcing you to use the
agency?s outrageous fees in order to do so.
IF THEY DO NOT HAVE
A PASSPORT AND REFUSE TO TRY TO GET ONE, OR MAKE UP MYRIAD EXCUSES THEY
DO NOT EVER INTEND TO MARRY YOU OR COME TO THE STATES. GIVE IT UP.
5.
They would tell me that they liked me, perhaps even loved me, but not
at the level I wanted, and that it would take a long time to convince
them of my seriousness. How long? 2- 3 years.
Are you kidding me?
I personally do not believe that there is
one sincere person on Origin Club?s site. They would not let me
see where they went to write to me. Other legitimate clubs had no
problem with this. They even let me use their computers to write
home. But not the Origin Club ladies. It is all a big
secret. Why? I showed them pictures of my bedroom where I
sat to write to them. It is a very human and natural thing to be
curious and sentimental about this.
Origin International
Dating
Club
Origin Club (originclub.com)
Origin Club (originclub.ru)
Online Brides (online-brides.com)
Russian Girls For Japanese Men Online Brides
(russian_girls_for_japanese_men.online-brides.com)
My Charming Love (my-charming-love.com)
Romance Dating Online (romance.romanticdatingonline.com)
