Don't know what HRB or RLM is? "Horny Russian Babes" &
"Russian Lanky Models". Click here.
Why
is there this special page for complaints against
HRB, RLM and their friends?
This is because they
are a HUGE scam and
they are finding more and more local agencies to join their group,
because it makes them (both RLM & the local agency) more money.
The
video chat is 80% scam, committed by Ukrainian offices.. And the rest of the agency is not any better.
MASSIVE
NEWS - FEBRUARY, 2010 - GREAT EVIDENCE FROM THE SOURCE - CLICK HERE
(Links to MORE
complaints...)
(link back to main HRB page)
PLEASE
make a complaint about this agency at the BBB!!!!
http://www.orlando.bbb.org/complaints/commoncomplaint.html?step=1
Read
blogs written by a former employee...
http://www.greencuckolds.blogspot.com
http://nuestroshombresdechat.blogspot.com/
http://ourmeninchat.blogspot.com/
In my OPINION...
Based on the THOUSANDS OF reports that I have received...
It APPEARS that this site/agency...
Complaints...
Here is some inside
information about HRB...
THIS
IS PROOF FROM A RUSSIAN GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim,
I just received this email. I obtained a free membership at
RLM 2
months ago strictly for the entertainment value. I had read
your warnings
beforehand, but I figured since they allowed me to read the email for
free, why not.
I used a prepaid credit card to purchase some credits and
chatted with a few women,
1 or 2 who I think were legitimate. I was actually able to
give one woman contact
info through the chat function and she has contacted me
directly. I must admit I
saw many of the same things that others have pointed out
here. Anyway, I just
wanted to pas on this message that corroborates what you and others
have been saying
about this site. Once I use up my current credits,
I 'm not going back. Thanks for the warnings.
****
> From: email@HRB
> To: ****@hotmail.com
> Subject: Fwd: IMPORTANT!!!!!!
>
> Account: ****
> Username: ****
> Message: Hello
> My name is ****.
> I am 20. I was a translator of this (and many
others) girl. I worked in the
"Orchid" company in Dnipropetrovs'k city, Ukraine. Sorry for writing
from this
profile but I do this because my profile was closed ( actually I didn't
search
husband, I have it - but this helped me to earn money as nobody knows
it on the
other side of earth). I want to tell you some very important things
about my
ex-work. It will help you to understand many things and tricks our
company was using to take your money.
> Maybe you will think "why I am doing that", but this I am
doing because they are
not honest not only to the clients like you but for workers as
well. I worked
hardly almost 2 months, worked many time 10-12 hours at nights on chats
(because
of time difference with your country) although in the morning I had to
go to
university (as I am a student yet) And after all they paid me only
USD50 with no
any explanations. After that I got to know that I am not the first one
and
unfortunately not the last one who was cheated by this way, as they
used to take
students for working without signing any agreements, and after few
month of
working pay nothing or a little bit and firing them.
> So listen:
> Before all translators will begin to work they must
study how to work with this
site and men on it. We learn special lessons with instructions and
tricks how to
cheat. We learn how to cheat you (men) on the letters, presents, in
chat. Main
target is to push you spent money. I want to tell you all plan of
cheating.
> All clients in the agency are real. And all they have own
translator. We are
writing that translator only help to write letters but in real clients
even don't
now about 90% letters. Also we do distribution. We compose one letter
(its named
day's letter) and sent it to all men, at first who online, admires,
favorites and
then to all base. If you think that this letters compose client and
translator
just translated it - you are completely wrong!!! I worked in this
organization
only 1,5 month but during this period I notice that clients
come only for night
chats 2-3 times per month. Even in chats you ma think you are talking
with girl,
but in fact you are talking with translator-cheater. If you
are asking woman to
turn on video and she is trying to avoid it( by telling you that chat
room is not
working, problems with video or she didn't use make up today, or smth
else) the
you can be sure that she is not in agency and you are speaking with
translator-cheater.
> Also we learn how to cheat to on presents, how to push you to
do it by dropping
hints. So if the woman tell you how she loves flowers or she admiring
the gold
accessories her friend bought last week- be sure- this is a kind of
trick for you
to spent you money..
PROOF
FROM AN EX EMPLOYEE!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Jim,
My name is ****. I would like to talk to you regarding filing
a
Class Action suit against RLM. After spending
thousands of dollars on this site talking to many girls I met a girl by
the name of ****. **** and I started corresponding via MSN
Messenger Live. She was the only sincere and truthful girl
that I
met on the site. We developed a relationship after a short
period
of time and we are now currently together.
**** worked as the manager of her agency that supported the girls from
RLM and other sites as well. When I confronted
**** with my suspisions regarding the girls earning money from the
chats and only interested in this without the sincere desire
to
ever meet the men they chatted with **** told me the truth of this and
confirmed this was true. I was thankful to **** for being
honest
with me and it did not interfere with our relationship. I
spent
very little money chatting with **** on the site before her and I
started talking on MSN. This fact is what attracted me to her
as
she is probably only one of the very few honest and truthful girls on
the site.
****'s duties as the manager of her agency was to keep track of the
girls earnings by documenting the chats and the letters they received
as letters also are deducted from the credits men
purchase. After a short period of time I
agreed to
help **** with these duties by designing a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet
that made it easier for **** to keep track of the girls chats and
percentage of money earned.
Here is another fact that **** informed me of.
When men send flowers and gifts, the girls do not receive these flowers
and gifts. The girls receive a small percentage of the money
the
men pay for these. The agency then tells the girls to come to
the
affice (which is usually the owner of the agencies home or
appartment) so they can take a picture of the girl holding
the
flowers and or gifts so these pictures can be emailed to the man who
purchased them for the girl. The same flowers are used as
long as
possible for all the girls who are sent flowers from the men.
**** has agreed to testify to these facts as well as other facts and
information of how the sites fraudulently milk hundreds of thousands of
dollars from men each week. We also have copies of the
documents
that show what the girls have been earning and their site ID and full
name.
Please help me in help you to file a Class action law suit against
these fraudulent sites and get them shut down.
As you probably know, The corporite offices for RLM is
in Florida and therefor are within the juristiction of our
courts.
Please feel free to contact me by email or call me at ***-****
Thank you
****
more...
MORE
PROOF FROM A FORMER EMPLOYEE - LATIN!!!!!
Hundreds
of U. S. men are being tricked with one “Dating
Site”. Day after day,
the numbers of tricked men increase, notwithstanding the warning of
other men who know what is really happening in that “Dating
Site”. This
page I am constructing is meant to be a defense against such trick. It
will be useful if you contribute with warning your friends about the
existence of that scam. If we make this warning to snowball, then we
will succeed. The more persons you warn about that cheat, the better.
The
“Dating Sites” in mention is HRB / RLM, which have alliances with some
marriage agencies, mainly in Ukraine, but also in Colombia, Peru,
Argentina and other Latin countries. These agencies engage women, who
are as much in want of one job as in want of a husband, and
translators, to partake in this trick. The translator (male or female)
is confided the task of idling men with a chat of coquetry while the
young woman is supposed only to smile at the video cam. The more time
the tricked men idle in chat, the better. The more men the translator
idles concurrently, the better. Both women and translators get a
commission for it. The amount of this commission is unknown, but, for
sure, risible, and this is maybe the worst. I worked in the agency of
Medellin, Colombia, for almost one year, and I can state that girls
worked without a covenant with their managers about the commission.
They simply get one pay for chat, which is rather capricious or
arbitrary, and one commission for gifts. To let you know how risible
this pay is, I will mention the case of the girl with whom I was
working for these last six months (from January to June of 2009). Her
nickname is Sandgom. The Sandgom’s average is about 10 men
daily. Every
message in chat cost less than one dollar. The average of messages
every man enter is about 100 a chat, which may amount to
about 80
dollars. So, ten men chatting with us might have become a 800 dollars
gain for the owner (or owners) of the “Dating Site”
every day. But how
much for Sandgom? As a daily average, she uses to get only 15 dollars.
As for the gifts, when one man orders flowers for one girl, the girl do
not get the flowers but one little commission for them (about 10%). I
can say the same about the other gifts, as candies, English lessons,
and jewellery.
Of course, there are many suits against the
“Dating Site”. How are they preventing themselves
to get convicted? One
of their stratagems is to make girls to swear in one video that they
are in their respective agencies, not for money nor for gifts, but for
their wanting one husband, which is wholly false, except for some
little women.
We, translators, are also tasked with writing
such letters as this ones you will read now, which are designed to
cajole men in one pretended amatory relation.
We can conform
one love to the one which we have idealized through readings of dreamy
romances, romantic films or merely our fantasies. I confess myself to
be one woman with many fantasies. I have read that "The true freeman is
he who conforms himself to his reason". As for myself, I think we have
certain feelings which we can not reason about. Sometimes we try to
reason why we behave ourselves this way or that way. There is no
precise reply, but colours in our sensations: One blue as background,
one orange in the letters comprise your name. My meaning is not to
reason you into an error. On the contrary, I want you to comprehend how
delightful is to have met each other as one kind of discovery of new
worlds. I can now fantasy much better, with different colours, and more
figures. I feel able to write, to compose and to sing under the delight
of being connected with these expectations. What is
preferable, one
conformity of each to other, where we are not able to learn by
dialogue, as one pair of eyes, impossible to face each other, or one
light difference, by means of which we are in ability of concerting an
harmony? In the field of love, are you a conformist to some determined
ways of making court to one woman, or do you invent news ways of
loving? I am sure that is the last one. I think we have differences,
but we linger in some of our qualities, which are in the confines of
wellbeing.
You are like one very enjoyable sweet fruit, which
one eats every time, and never it is coiling. Some remembrances are
good, but some anticipations are much better. When heaven betokens
rain, one gets ready to enjoy the evening in the best position, in the
best place of the home. When I communicate with you, your words betoken
the best of one man, it is not only his benevolence, but also his
intelligence, in one mixture with male powers. Do you know what is TO
VERB one noun? It is to use it as one verb. In this case, If I verb
your noun Lorenzo, I could use it to denote one quality of man able to
fly with me during our chats. When I mention the verb TO FLY, I mean
your exclusivity of pleasing me with words, which can take me into
dreamy worlds. When we communicate, we feel our respective arts. We are
not the fantasy of one mysterious person sitting at one desk.
We are
real, we are one sensation started with one simple HELLO and continued
with the best of our wishes. This feeling will have no end, as long as
we have our will of being together. We are lighting one candle in one
room where there was nothing but darkness. Every chat with you is one
candle. We are seeing now our room decorated, very well decorated.
Nobody else can have such room as we have. Your confessed feelings
about ourselves confirm what your eyes had approved of and they confirm
me in this worthy situation of my being your female part. Your
statements confirm me in the confidence that I have found my male part,
the one that will act as one cogwheel able to move this Great machine
of love. Our senses are engaged in the search of GOOD, but our mind is
one bird with EAGLE EYE able to distinguish good and bad persons. No
doubt about your ability to love, no question about your integrity. Do
you know what is PHISIONOMIZE? It is one art by which you can deduce
the quality of one persons for his (her) look. Our eyes are one kind of
SCANNER, when they look at somebody, they hardly could be wrong. I am
not wrong about you. I see you, not only in the screen of one computer,
but also in my dreams, in the cheese cake, in the eyes of my children,
in the drops of rain, in the shadows of sun, in the scent of best mall.
Do
not stop PHISIONOMIZing, we are not wrong, the best of ourselves is
still to come through other senses than eyes. I want to become, not
only the recipient of love, but also the conferrer. I am very pleased
to remember you. It is said that the best conditioner of love is one
session of face to face with the beloved. Love is conditional on
nothing but on one mutual correspondence. I feel well loved by you and
this makes me so happy. I will become one necessary part to your life,
as air, as food, as music, as laugh, as water, as sun. Let me become
such thing.
We will care for our feelings, as flowers in one
garden, as plants in one wood, as colours in one notebook, as lines in
one verse, as violins in one symphony. Love me as I love you, and you
will feel the force of our benevolence. The future is now. We are
present, with the experience of past as one worthy value. We can say
that our Verbs are commuters in one almost mysterious process. Every
day is one means to learn much more about our abilities. The past tense
of verb SEARCH, the present tense of the verb FIND and the future one
of the verb LOVE, in their respective conjugation, this is, I SEARCHED,
I FIND YOU and I WILL LOVE YOU, are an evidence that we are no accident
in this world out of control. The recurrence of our good feelings are
extensions of one congeniality discovered by us. We are an alliance, we
are one fellowship. We talk congenially, congenitally united by
something we can not touch but we can feel.
Much before my
becoming one woman, before the conglobation of my breast and before the
development of my reason, nobody was able to guess what would happened
in one time as ours.
International
Link (Medellin, Colombia) is the name of the agency in Medellin)
more...
Here
is a letter i recived today.................I did not send them a n y
money,,,but i have spent thousands of dollars on RLM...I
got addicted,,even one guy from Bogota ,,,who i sent my phone # too
called me and said he was a ghost writer and could not continue becouse
he was a hired scamer,,, So i complained to hot r b and they fired hi m
and droped the agency in bogata,
more...
Jim i am
sure you are exhausted with Scams by now.. however, pls note that your
dedication is amazing and very well recvd.
I am also a victim of the Hot Russian scam.. I spent several hundred
dollars before I realized that the girls responding were answering
questions I didn't ask as well as I could see they were jumping back
and forth between several computers. Had a girl from Uruguay tell me
she wanted to come to the states. We arranged for a trip. She was
paying, and then Suddenly she had an auto accident and said she
couldn't come until she felt better.. but the next day when chatting
with one other girl I was writing to I saw her behind the one
I
was chatting with and she was on line chatting with another man ..she
was fine laughing bouncing around and amazingly sexy. then her next
excuse was she was having legal issue with her divorce and her attorney
said she couldn't leave the country...when I asked why and that she had
written saying she was already divorced, left the chat and She
disappeared. . There were too many other incidents to name. But I can
confirm that on many occasions Hot Russ stopped the chats when I asked
the girl for other contact info.. Literally invaded the chat room and
stopped our ability to communicate. To be able to react that fast
especially over the Internet means they had to be monitoring the entire
conversation from the beginning. Hahahaha too bad as they
really
are damaging themselves
more...
Hi Jim,
Thanks for preventing people from scam.
I dont have horror story .; may because I know very well Russian and
Ukrainian people since I lived there 3 years when i was 17 yrs old. I
speak Russian well.
people there are good broadly speaking. I like them better than
American.
life conditions are very hard there. this explains horror stories and
the fact I couldn't find girl for myself.regarding HRB. I
have made a tour and found out pictures of a girl I know very well.
http://www.russ**nlovematch.com/profile/profile.aspx?toid=130846
she's prostitute and she's not looking for relationship with men
abroad. she likes her country and lives there very well since she's
pretty. This is a proof that girls on this site are fake
regards
more...
hello I
just want to tell the expeience that I had with RLM, I
was a member for about one year I had the gold member ship
for almost that year, I
had email severals ladies, back and fore and and all they
want to to chad. I had
seen some ladies chating from my time 9 and am to
1 pm my time which means they
had stay all nigh to chat , I seen some ladies on the web,
and some times they chad
with no cam web which I feel it is a different
lady, I chated with some ladies
with no webcam , and then I email them and mention if they
remeber what we talk
about on the chat and they said they do not remember the
conversation at all, and
they mention that they had left for I while and they will be
back later on,I had
mention to a girl why she stay al night on the
webcam and she said she was wating
for me which means it is a bunch of b,,, the
regular membership was free which I
could read all the incoming emails, I try this morning to
read my emails, and
they told me that I have to upgrade my membership
to gold and then I could read
my emails, which means more money for them, and if
I want to get information from
I lady I have to spend 2500 credits which is about a 1000
dollars just to get inf
from a lady , this means I feel is a scam they just
want the money, and if I want
to travel to see the lady I have to go through their services
only plus the 2500
credits in chatting time,I can not give or get a
personal emails fro a lady, I do
not recommend it to no one, also a lot of the pictures from
the ladies are about
from three to four years old, I had waste
my time and money for nothing, tell
other people not to go to this agency they will waste their
time and money, and I
was chatting with some ladies, they make the time run
slow that measns they take
their time to write, and that , means money from my
pocket every minute is about
50cent , the longer I stay on the webcam the more
money I spend, I had
seen a lady on the web cam for a few minutes then I
shut off the webcam then she
just hang up on me with out saying good night or nice talking
to you, just plain
cold, I had mention some ladies ifhoe serious they
are and they do not mention
nothing , all they say it will take time to know each other
through the webcam,
that means money for them,so with this experience I
feel that the agency wants is
money . I do not recommend it to no one, big mistake,waste of
time and of course
money. if you had any ? please feel free to emails thanks
JIms, from ****
more...
The
company in FL that runs this whole thing is scamming the guys and the
girls. The
funds possibly are being used for bad activities abroad. Bad ethics are
already the
fact (the web site).
I can show you how this works, but you will have to wait till it's
busted up to know
all the facts involved. A short description of it without the facts I
think will
help you.
Agencies working with (HRB, RLM) in many
other
countries are involved in the collection of woman with the
enticement of husband
from wealthy countries not just America and the UK. They give them
photo shoots and
help them with profiles for free and give translated letter templates
to make first
contact. If the girls are in need of money they ask them to
work (for real money)
in the chat rooms and write letters. All the other girls who
post there (personal)
photos not created by the agency are required to abide by special
(laws) we call
rule or terms of agreement. The free agent girls are required to
respond to each
email to have there free listing and the use of the chat. Breaking the
rule will
result in there profiles being removed, and the threat of possible
arrest in there
country if they pass contact information without going
through the agency. The top
domains RLM & HRB are funding these private agencies worldwide
also providing the web site for the girls to registrar
on which I know the name of
but cannot tell you at this time due to the ongoing investigation into
the top two
RLM & HRB and the private Agencies worldwide. Each Agency is a
different person
like a CELL (if you know what I mean) and this is what is being
investigated (the
little guys) The one big guy at the RLM & HRB is the
worst pond scum out there, he
is like a slave trader with many other web sites which deal with
Americam Green
Cards and black market brokering of doctors and nurses around the
world. His days
are numbered once the money in his operation is found to sponsor
terrorism or slave
trading or any other activity within our country or in the country in
which the
little guy is at. The software used for writing mails and have chat
between each
party Girls and Guys is censored for web addresses and symbols which
provent either
side (GIRL or GUY) from getting out info on each other to
make contact. This is how I cracked this scam I was able to
have a girl contact me
direct and slowly give me the run down as much as she knew. One comment
for the
Guys looking she made to me is this: " a small amount of the girls are
just playing
to get there own rocks off but most of them really want to leave there
country and
marry a man" As you can see from there main page false advertising is
in play.
Trips to the country (COMING SOON) This is a prop to make believe the
site is real
they have not even tried to make this happen. Here is a great resource
link to some history
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:///www.hotrussianbrides.com
at this site you can
see what the past web site looked like and even read the links. I don't
believe us
guys should hold the girls to blame if you know this picture then I can
show a way
for guys to brake through there software and make contact if the girl
wants to make
contact. I will not give you this info right now I will wait and see
how you do in
response to this post plus that posting of this information will cause
them to
figure out how to stop this type of infiltration to there
system. Collect address
and I will give the info to you Jim in one month and you can send them
an email
explaining privately how to bypass there system. It will work only for
about a month
before they figure out what we have done.
more...
Just to inform you that girls from RLM use this site
marriageagency-Nataly.net also. I personally have been invited to chat
on
the marriageagency-nataly site by girls at RLM. I was at
this
RLM site for awhile and the girls from Nikolaev are the worst!!!!!,
There
are 11 different agencies that use RLM in Nikolaev alone, and at least
90%
are scammers. Now they are using Nataly to entice men to 2 way video
chat so
they can spice up the chat by offering sexual pleasure that both can
participate in. I as an investigative type, joined Nataly and yes the
video
chat works, and the girls there are a lot the same girls on RLM, but
mostly
from Nikolaev and some from Novosibirsk, they can simply switch sites
and
Viola!!!!! I don't know a lot about how the systems work but
it seems that there needs to
be a connection or parent site that these agencies run under.
ANYWAY THE GIRLS ON RLM ARE ON NATALY ALSO AND USE RLM TO SELL THERE
TIME TO
NATALY. I ALSO SAW IN THE SECTION OF NATALY ABOUT COMMISION THAT THE
GIRLS
RECEIVE. OF COURSE THIS IS IN THE LADIES RULES SECTION AND WRITTEN IN
RUSSIAN ONLY.
more...
I have spent a lot of money with HRB and am not happy
with
the process. They take my money, represent the girls to me, I
chat build
relationship, then I have to deal with another entity to get contact
info
and they want more money. Then I refuse to pay and the girl
says if I don't
pay she will stop chatting. This looks like scam to me...I
can get her name
and contact if I send $50, I have all the chat saved as word file, what
should I do. I am pissed at HRB and have
called the Florida
Governors Office of Consumer affairs. They have no complaints
on them yet
Do you think I have a case for anything or is it just my loss..
more...
I would add these to the grey or black lists for the following reasons
1. The edit emails for exchange of contact information
2. If I am intereted in someone, I write one email back explaining that
I will not contact them anymore unless the SMS me or email me. I send
my information. They almost always respond that they cannot and want to
correspond over the site. I do not write back and they do not follow
up.
3. I seem to be getting the same emails from different girls
4. I am corresponding with one person that states that those sites pay
commission for emails generated. Winners receive vacations.
more...
Jim I have a ton of information. First the girls are not real or they
are real and the agency does most of the writing. I thought I have a
relationship with one lady and I switch sights. Well that was a huge
mistake the letter went from personal to nothing but generic bull. Today
I got a letter that the lady thanked me for relying to her letter when
she never wrote one. Then I get a letter from a 29 years old hot looking
doctor. Just after I gave up on a 35 year old doctor.
Jim it is just enough real and hot chicks on camera to get you going.
Well I bite for a couple months but I am giving it up. Tired of being
taken for a sap.
These folks use cam and chat lines. But it is not real. The lady spend
hours after hour on the site wait for an dude like me to bite. When you
check it out nothing make any sence. It is a scam all the way.
The name of the agency hotrussianladies the same ones that were featured
on TV. Anyway I just found out about them through you group thanks.
more...
I recently joined an agency called: HRB. After paying
more than 120
dollars for a platinum membership as well as extra contact credits.I
found that my
e-mails were censured.After paying this fee I was not able to send my
e-mail address
to the ladies nor were they able to send me their phone numbers.The
information was
deleted by the site.I think most of the women on the site work for the
agency.The
longer they keep you on the chat line the more you pay.Also it is
impossible to ever
make a real contact since they delete your information.This is
nothing,but a very
expensive chat site.The women for the most part are not really
interested in a true
meeting.Just chat which I am convinced that they get paid for.I do not
know if you
have other complaints,but here is mine if you need to add it to others
to make a decision.
more...
I have some problems with a dating
agency. This agency have two names,
HRB / RLM
I had subscripted and we cannot exchange ipersonnal
information and very bad
customers services. We can chat but this is costly and their computers
are very
slow, so it's mean more costly. I asked many times how can I meet a
lady from their
site but no true answer. They said " The paiment for a meeting and the
arrrangment
must be trhough by me (The administrator).... Very strange..... Do you
have any
informations, just for me, I will put these site on the Black Lists.
more...
Hi Jim, I am glad to see your site here. Although too late for me. I
just want to
tell you that you are correct about the rumors on HRB & RLM. I have spoken to a few ladies that did admit that
there are
certain girls at certain agencies that they represent as "workers."
These girls show
up every day from say noon to 6pm EST and work the system to keep men
chatting. I
know, I was one of the $4500.00 victims. It is a shame that more
information is not
available about them.
more...
FYI, would rather not hassle it..but during the summary I invested about
3K with RLM and a potentially related site called Origin Dating
Club.
I can tell you without question, the girls are there to make money on
video chat. I met several girls.I'm young, 41, good looking,
had plenty
of girls. But interestingly, each time I met one, spent weeks
of
time..it always got to a point and the girls would seem to just try to
keep the conversation going as long as they could without taking next
steps.
This happened three times..
.and after 3,000 bucks.I knew I was had.
So..any fool that looks at the ladies on that site.and thinks they're
real..is totally a fool..like me.
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I read your review of RLM and joined for a few weeks to
check out what you had said. Just for fun twice I stayed online and
awake
for consecutive 24 hour periods and noted that many "women" chatted for
24
hours continuously (impossible for one woman of course) and, of course,
their web cams were only only for part of that time. One of their
affiliates in Saratov stays open twenty four hours seven days a
week!!!!!
Hard to imagine a single woman in the cold of winter at an agency at 4
am
her time chatting for love!!! And, like behappy2day, that Saratov
affiliate agency ("Angel" ????), surprise, surprise is located steps
away
from a university (e.g. Saratov State University) and has a
majority of
its women young students. Also, the way RLM is set up,
multiple men can watch a woman on her webcam. Ten men watching one woman
generates $300.00 per hour income. About seventy women are online, on
average, 24 hours a day seven days a week. That is SERIOUS income. With
no
contact information available directly RLM is clearly an
agency devoted to "not finding" partners!! I am an attorney and got
interested in this business when a client had some problems with an
agency
in Russia. I have studied this industry now for almost two years.
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Re RLM and HRB
Hello Jim.
I think that more information needs to be placed on internet on these
two sites.
If a guy does not know that these two are a mirror site he can be
swindled easily.
Some girls chat with you for a while, then say "Oh I must go home now"
or "Oh I must go to University for my English classes.), especially if
you ask them questions that may require proper answer.
They appear to be logged off at HRB - then if I go and look who is
online at RLM, they are available for chat on the other site.
I watch this happen for many hours.
One girl who I was in chat with does this on regular basis.
She told me on one occasion that she only comes to HRB to chat with me,
one day by accident I found RLM - and she was logged in on RLM and
available for chat.
This one girl who I was chatting with, all false smiles and etc; I said
to her "I have heard that some girls get paid to chat on this site" -
her eyes on video cam told me the truth.
Her answer "I would not know about that" and within 10 seconds "Oh I
must go home now" is the reply. Quick "bye" from her and she is logged
out.
There are supposedly 28000 odd profiles, but it is always the same 200
- 300 pretty girls there ready for chat.
When I log in, I am bombarded with chat invite screens from these
girls. This is done by the website.
Sometimes I take up the chat offer with a new and pretty girl. They
have no idea who I am, as I ask did you look at my profile, the girl
answers " Oh I am just brining it up now"
If you are prepared to monitor this site and see when the different
girls log on, you may notice something odd. The girls are eating cakes
etc; and having coffee.
I can log into the site as invisible and then watch the girls on video
cam, without their knowledge.
I like to surprise them and send a quick message, they are taken by
surprise and try to finish their cake, thinking you have not seen them
yet on video.
I think that some of these girls do not know that us guys are paying 50
cents a minute to view them.
There was one girl at HRB who I liked a lot, she looked very soft and
feminine - sort of honest.
I told her that it cost 50 cents a minute for me to watch her on video,
her eyes showed disbelief at this. Her reply "Oh I did not know this".
She has not been back to HRB since that time. Almost a month ago.
When I have sent a message to a girl " for me to meet you I have to pay
1000.00 USD and chat with you for three months in chat" this message
never gets to the girl. The site is monitoring what is sent in chat
screens.
Being inventive there are ways around this.
I pushed one girl into a corner in chat with her.
I told her this site is making a lot of money from you chatting with me.
I told her how much we have to pay, and so on.
She became upset, said she had to go, and was gone in all of 5 seconds.
I knew she was running away from my questions.
I waited around for a while, logging in and out every 30 minutes. After
three hours there was a "letter" from this girl.
She accused me of many things, saying that I was calling her a "girl
from the street" that I had upset her terribly "and I had disgraced
her" and she did not wish to speak with me anymore.
All this from a girl who was promising to meet me in 6 weeks time.
I think I hit the raw nerve, and she bolted for the wild blue yonder. I
think her accusations were meant to make me feel bad - and for her to
have an excuse not to chat with me, and make it seem as though it is my
fault , so as to cover up her scam.
I think she is as guilty of fraud as the website owners.
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I had a bad
experience with a Russian dating site and it was suggested that I tell
you about it so maybe you could list it on one of your lists if you
have not done so
already.
The Site is called HRB
When you sign up on this site, it has different levels of membership.
The site
offers live chat with web cam capabilities for the ladies. But, in
order to be able
to get the contact information on a particular woman, you have to be
what they call
a qualified member. Now, their definition of a qualified member is a
paid member at
the highest level for at least 3 months at $50 a month. Then you have
to buy a
minimum number of credits to use on the site to be able to use the live
chat/web cam
and so on. After I was a member for 3 months, I inquired about my
status as a
qualified member, now, I had already paid $600 for 3 months and extra
credits, they
told me I needed to buy a minimum of 2500 credits, I had only purchased
1100 at the
time, so you can imagine what the cost would have been. All this just
to get a phone
number or an email address. Your emails are censored, your chats are
censored, your
pictures are censored. The only good thing I got from this site is the
first lady I
started chatting with sent me her regular email address in secret code
during our
chat, past their censorship program and we immediately started
corresponding on
Yahoo and we still are today and planning a trip in the future to meet.
I feel this
site is only there to take money from lonely men. The lady I met there
was going to
an agency to access the site and told me the girls would get paid to
keep men
chatting and viewing their web cams and getting them to buy credits.
She would see
them having performance meetings when she went to the agency. When she
told me this,
I immediately cancelled my membership. I you do not like your money
very well and
really enjoy chatting and viewing some really nice eye candy, then this
site is for
you. But, if you really want to meet a sincere Russian/Ukrainian wife
to be, then
look elsewhere, this is definitely not the place.
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I see you have HRB on your grey list. I am beginning
to
believe it belongs on the BLACK list! I have been here for some months,
and spent
a good sum of money, fortunately, that is no problem for me, yet it
is still
nerve racking. I am writing because of your RUMOR about girls being
paid to
keep men in chat. I believe, but cant prove, this is true. For example,
I am
50 years old, look about 40, yet I get BOMBARDED immediately after
signing in
from YOUNG, 18-25, YO women, who have obviously NOT read my profile,
because I
do not want children and they ALL DO, asking to chat. I am
not stupid, so I
shoot them down without even answering. But I did talk to one older
lady for
about 20 minutes, @ I credit per 5 minutes, that is not bad, but once
you go
to video chat, it becomes 1 credit per MINUTE! So potentially you can
have 6
credits every five minutes being "LOST". after we chatted for awhile,
she
claimed to be a doctor, I asked what area of medicine she practiced! Lo
and
behold, her allotted time was up and had to leave the agency! Haven't
had a
request for a chat from her since! This sight DEFINITELY needs more
scrutiny!
There are some very beautiful girls here and I think not all are
scammers, but
beware!! Think smart guys! I may just write a few ladies that I think
are on
the up and up, tell them where I'll be staying in Yalta this
summer and they
can meet me there. We'll then see how serious they are, and
I'll also see a
beautiful part of the world I never have seen before!
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Thanks for your service. Wish I had seen it sooner
though. I was using RLM until I started to feel something was
not right. I
tried to contact a woman
I was interested in through her actual agency and through some
searching I found her
agency online. It turns out I had never been in contact with
this woman at all.
Live and learn I guess...
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I've got a good one for you regarding HRB.
There is a girl I've known for over a year who I've been writing to
through her
local agency in Melitopol. Today I was perusing HRB,
doing a count of
all the many girls from the tiny town of Nikolaev when I saw my friend
listed on the
"On Line Now"
window. So I spent the $30 so I could see and talk to her live.
Well, to my complete surprise, the girl in the video was NOT my friend
Yana from
Melitopol. My curiosity got the best of me and so I asked the girl who
she was. I
told her she was not the Yana I know. She said she had just been to he
hairdresser.
Can you believe it? LOL!!! Her facial bone structure is completely
different and she
doesn't look anything like Yana. So I played with her a little longer
and asked her
to tell me what she knew of our history. She came up with some bullshit
about
meeting in Odessa or something. So I ended off and wrote to HRB to
tell them what happened and asked for my $30 back.
We shall see.
I've included here a copy of my refund request to RLM, a "Print Screen"
shot of the
scammer and a photo of my real friend, Yana of Melitopol.
I just thought you might get a kick out of this and maybe it can be
used to help you
in some way.
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I only wished I had seen your site earlier! Although I wasted a few
thousand
dollars; you have probably saved me over $10,000. Like many of your
other
testimonies, I too spent a lot of time (hours each day) "chatting" on
"RLM." Here's some of my observations that made me go
"hmmm...:"
* I could tell that the women on the web camera were talking to more
than just me.
* The more I talked to a particular woman, the slower her response.
This seemed to
happen a lot with women without web cameras (web cams). I couldn't
understand why
unless they were talking to many different guys. After a while, I
started to get
frustrated because when you chat; TIME IS MONEY. The meter
runs as long as you are
connected. It runs TWICE AS FAST when they have a web camera. I finally
realized
that their objective was to "milk my account" for as long as possible.
Talking to me was secondary… :-)
* Women that chat on a web cam get irritated when you shift the camera
off. In fact, they knew once I turned it off. Until I "pulled my head
out of my butt," I couldn't understand why that was such a big deal.
1. It wasn't like she could see me.
2. I had already seen her that day.
3. It would extend my chat time and save money and time that I would
spend with her instead of “feeding the meter.”.
Obviously, they were getting something more from the web cam than my
"charming conversation." :-)
*Although they desperately wanted me to come for a visit, only one of
them would
give me a phone number. I kept wondering how she expected me to find
her until I
realized (thanks to this site) that I was simply being "sucked" into
part "B" of the
scheme; where I pay the agency to set up the meetings. I suppose the
ladies make a
nice commission if they can get you to go there.
* Now Jim, I don’t have your “spidey
senses,” but I think I possess a measure of
common sense. I try not to be cynical, but when I see a lady
on-line at noon in
Florida time (8PM Ukraine time) and she is STILL on-line at 9PM Florida
time (5AM
Ukraine time!!!); I have to call “BS.” It
is a lot of the same women who are doing
this, and some of these women are HOT! When I first joined
HRB, I chatted with a
few of them (and they were on a web cam). It was easy to tell that they
had been
awake all night. However, I stopped talking to them once I
became enchanted with
one particular lady (a 35 year old woman from
Kiev). Unfortunately, I caught my
particular lady (that I had been chatting with solely for over 5 weeks)
doing the
same thing. We always had a “set time” to
chat, then I would sign off. I was
planning a visit with her and her family soon. We had chatted
earlier (6PM Ukraine
time) and I wanted to surprise her with a letter and attach a new photo
of me and my
adult children. It was 9PM Florida time (5AM Ukraine time the next
morning) when I went to
send her a letter and to my suprise, there she was on a web cam. I
could tell that
she was talking and typing to someone. Her English was good. She looked
tired. Just
as tired as the ladies looked when I use to chat with everyone in the
early morning
hours. She stated that she had waited for me all night (11
hours) to talk in the
morning. I told her that I had to go to bed but I had left
her a letter with a
photo. I knew that she was not being exactly honest with me. She stated
that she had
to leave also and would be back in 2 days for our normal chat (normally
at 6PM
Ukraine time). Yet, that very next night she was again on-line at 3AM
Ukraine time;
typing away to some guy. I was disappointed with
her to say the least. I was
easily spending over 2 hours and easily over $100.00 per day
chatting with her. Do
the math: (7 x $100.00) x 5 weeks… Yea,
I had a little money invested in her on
correspondence alone….That is when I started checking out
discussion forums and found out
about your site. If I had seen this site months earlier, I may be
seeing a foreign
lady right now. You’ve got valuable info here and
you have saved me a lot of future
trouble. What one of your earlier writer stated now makes a lot of
sense and I’m
sure it is true; the ladies get paid a commission and this is nothing
more than a
part time job for them. This writer was lucky to find an honest lady
that told him
what was really going on.
Jim, I’m not a guy who is or ever was “desperate
for a date.” In fact, I am
currently seeing a lady from here in Florida. The reason I went looking
for a lady
from the FSU because I wanted someone with values. I also stayed away
from the 18-29
year olds. I also have the financial means to make any woman
feel secure. I enjoy
kids, I work out and stay in good shape, and I live in a place where it
is very
safe. I thought I had a good chance to meet a Russian or Ukrainian lady
and lose my
singe man status. However, the only thing I lost was my money and time.
I would like to send this message out to all of the guys
looking for a REAL
RELATIONSHIP with a woman:
*Leave the RLM site alone!!!
*Don’t make the same mistake that I and others have!!
*Put your credit cards back in your wallet and move on!!
What a waste of time and money!!! I am sure there are many women in the
FSU who are
really looking for a husband. However, I don’t think
you’ll find any on this site.
For me, the most important thing to remember is that it has been easy
to make up the
money I wasted; however, I will never be able to recover the TIME that I
lost…NEVER…I told my present girlfriend about my
experience and we now laugh about
it. I have actually shown her this site and the women on-line. It has
been over 6
months since I left the site, and yet many of the women we saw on-line
are the same
as when I left. I see they have added Latin women to help draw more
clients.
Anyway, it gave us a good laugh and it is good to humble
yourself from time to time
and realize that there is “a little fool in all of
us.”
Thanks again Jim…
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Thank
goodnes i found your site with respect to HRB. It was
very helpful in hindsight (for me).
I have an interesting story to tell....
Some pices of infomration that may be of interest to add to your site.
This
information was confirmed as a result of "confession'' from one of the
ladies on the (HRB) website to me.
This
lady was so compelled by my honesty that she told me the 'truth'. I was
only a member for 3 weeks but spend some $350 on credits and gifts -
annoying! 1. Only 10% of the ladies on HBR are honest and
looking for
partners. Most of the 18-25 girls on HBR are employees. They answer an
advertisement in the local newspaper for "18-25 year olds, knowledge of
english, part-time job, good money." They are told they are "here to
earn money not fall in love."
2. The ladies employeed by the
agency receive a commission based on the time they live chat and the
letters/emails they reply to. Obviously they want men to use Webcam as
it is more expensive and eats up those overpriced credits from which
they earn a larger commission. The delay in response is the most
obvious - i agree. I think some men could even get a strip show on
there - if they wanted! lol
3. Ladies do not receive presents or gifts as proclaimed by the website
- they receive the monetary value of it instead.
4. Employeed ladies recieve their commision paid on a monthly
basis.
5.
In any event, i was told that many of the ladies on this website even
have boyfriends. I have found that liars, cheats and scammers on HBR
can be found as a result of: (1) the time they send on time as you
point out; (2) ladies with the same professional photographs in the
same place - that is hilarious to me.
The lady who confessed
this story to me gave me the number of another guy she 'saved from the
experience'. I called him and had a good chat - his advice to anyone
was "leave this site alone - it is all fake".
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Hello Jim,
you and your contributors are absolutely correct about the site
“RLM.” I found out the hard way (after
spending some money), but perhaps
I can at least help others from my knowledge. After chatting a short
time with a
lady, I gained her trust and obtained her phone number. While
off the site, she let
me in on what goes on at their Yalta office. I’ll
be brief and tell you what she told me:
For the girls, this is a job. The girls earn approximately $3.00 per
hour. They must produce and if they do they
can earn additional money. They work in shifts
If they can not attract men with their profiles, they use another
woman’s profile.
The women I talked to considers most of the men “old
perverts.”
Women invite men come to visit, but they have “actual
lives” there in Yalta as well.
In other words, they already have boyfriends.
Perhaps I’m not being fair as I am only using the Yalta
office as an example. But
what I have seen has convinced me that further searching on this site
is going to be
a huge waste of money. The women’s interest is simply not
genuine.
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Big Jim!
How are you doing! Well I wish
I would have found your site earlier, as I am
sure you have heard a thousand times! Well then it became my
mission to catch
these jerks! I will paste a couple of chats I had with a
couple of ladies
there! A few of them are good girls and usually don't stay
for long! So I
played the game and got the info I was looking for! This is
and actual
conversation with two ladies! Stick this at the top of your
page for everyone
to see! I am sure the words speak all the truth anyone will
ever need! When I
started with that site I too was smothered in 18 year olds!
Well I am not
interested in little girls. So check it out:
My lead in.... 3/13/2008 5:31:45 AM:
..........but many here do it just to get a big chat list!
It is good for business!
Her reply... 3/13/2008 5:33:36
AM:
I don't want to judge these girls...they need to
survive...and this is their way to get money
Actually I believe in this gal, she is really cool and has
been a straight
shooter. She wanted to leave the site and so did I but we
could not find a site
that is so easy for us to use. So we are just hanging out
here until we can meet in the spring!
This next one is from the sister of one of the chicks i
talked to when I first
became a member. Everything was just 'perfect' then one day
she just disappeared.
A month later I get a letter from her telling me
she met someone else! Well
according to her sister, who does not like her sister at all and thinks
she is a
jerk, spilled the beans and this is some of what she said:
Lady 3/11/2008 10:45:03 PM:
Would u like very honest advice from me?... But do not ask
question about my
advice, please...
Me........ 3/11/2008 10:45:25 PM:
ok i am ready for your advices
Me........3/11/2008 10:45:41 PM:
I won't question...
Lady.... 3/11/2008 10:47:03 PM:
ok...
Lady.... 3/11/2008 10:48:56 PM:
My advice is...delete urself from this site;
Of course she refused to talk about the reason but later in
the chat I talked
about my thoughts of the rlm site and she agreed. Actually
this gal is also very
cool. One of the truly honest women in this world.
She is going to be leaving
the site in the next couple of days because she thought it would be
different and
because she took advice from her sh!t sister to join it. The
second chat isn't so
damning but the first one really spells it out!
So I hope this helps out! At the least if it saves
heartache for someone who is
serious in his search for destiny. I am not really upset
about the money... money
is just money... and I spent a lot of it!! But I hate to be
jerked around and
played with. Of course it can be said I took this out of
context so if you would
like to see the whole chat transcript I saved it!
Thank you for your efforts and keep up the good work!
Thanks,
****.
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Dear Jimmore...
Thank you
for the service you are performing. I too have been taken in
by Hot Russian Mail Order Brides' web site. When I posted my e- mail
address after numerous letters back and forth, to the same lady,they
deleted my e-mail address. I also noticed that the faces of
the woman
didn't match the rest of their body and realized the rest
was a
mannequin with her face on top. I wrote to the attorney
general of
Florida and I awaiting their response. Their corporate name is Romantic
Tours and I believe they are a Florida corporation.
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HRB and
all the other names...romantic tours in Dunedin off
pinehurst....
you should see the hole in the wall place this gets run out of...
I
could go take a picture for ya. FYI - Leslie Raguso is the
one who
writes all the fake bios for the girls and photo shops up the
pixs.
here is her myspace page. myspace.com/sunchser69 she gets
paid like a
grand a week to rip off men while Greg Pearson hides in the
tropics.
MILLIONS and the FL attorney General doesn't care about
1000's of
complaints either -
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